Attempting to merge two crappy tastes


Communism, the infamous party of atheism (according to most anti-atheist Christians) and religion, the infamous opium of the masses, now might be linking up in a foul tasting antithesis to the wonderful marriage of chocolate and peanut butter. Thats’ right, The Communist Party USA is looking into how to partner up with religion. Is nothing sacred anymore these days?

Every atheist has heard the nonsense about how atheism is responsible for more deaths and carnage than say Christianity or Islam because communist regimes like Stalin’s or Mao’s racked up some damning totals in those categories and, after all, they were atheists. Now aside from the ridiculousness of comparing death tolls when Christianity and Islam are supposed to be about peace, love, and high moral standards and therefore shouldn’t even be in competition to begin with if any of that were true, there’s no guiding principle, no philosophy of atheism which could prompt anyone to do anything. Even more amusing is the religionists’ assertion that atheists believe in nothing, since if that were true, how then can nothing prompt something?

Tim Yeager, chair of the Communist Party USA’s new Religion Commission (and Episcopalian) correctly points out that there’s nothing inherently anti-religious about communism, and that the atheist position of the Bolsheviks was actually in response to the Russian Orthodox Church’s challenge to their authority as a former arm of the Tsar’s state, and I would add also in response to their attempts after the revolution to sponsor a counter revolution to regain their lost power and influence. He wants everyone to know that communists in Latin America aren’t anti-religious and also wants to hitch his wagon to famous religious Americans of history like Martin Luther King Jr. The Party will hold rallies in the future and write articles to woo the religious to swell the ranks of the Party.

Now frankly, who could blame the Communist Party USA? The Republicans had great success with this tactic, and so did our current Democratic President, Mr. “Committed Christian”. Those damn atheists all have minds of their own and trying to get them in line is like herding cats, so why not try and swell the ranks with members of well-ordered flocks, used to following orders from a singular authority? When you also add the fact that these masses are opiated, well honestly, it makes you wonder what took the Party so long to realize the potential of such a market.

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27 Responses to “Attempting to merge two crappy tastes”

  1. As "isms" go, Communism has to be way down there, probably below Atheism, in public relations points. So it makes sense to try to hitch their saddle to something that 90% of the country can get behind.

  2. They should also consider sponsoring NASCAR races and cutest puppy or kitten contests.

  3. …and having bake sales to raise money.

  4. Maybe they could have a little carnival with a 'shoot Trotsky' booth, totalitarian mustache rides, and little hammer and sickle cookies for the kiddies.

  5. As a revolutionary communist and a militant atheist, I… er… do not endorse… this move by the CPUSA. (Actually, the CPUSA and a lot of communist/socialist organizations have been cozying up to religion lately.)

    Communism must be built on truth or it has no value whatsoever, at least to me. To ally with religion means that the CPUSA has abandoned its claim to caring about the truth.

    I can't stop calling myself a communist because I do believe in the value of collective ownership of capital (which does not require authoritarianism any more than atheism requires nihilism), in just the same sense that I couldn't stop calling myself an atheist even if most or all of the other atheists became Randians. But I don't have to like it.

  6. The sign that the Communists have successfully merged with the Christians will be when they start having pot luck dinners at the party meetings.

  7. Well, it's certainly a fact that South and Central American communism has been highly church affiliated (Catholicism) but they are spinning their wheels going after Christian North Americans. They might as well try to sell them on abandoning the 2nd Amendment and supporting Roe v. Wade.

  8. I am actually registered to vote as a Socialist.

    What else could I do? I know and care more about the 'republic' than the "Republicans" seem to, and a hell of a lot more about democracy and the 'demos' itself than the "Democratic" party demonstrates that it does. And since I was already an atheist, it was well, just seemed like the thing to do. Culturally symetrical, I guess.

    Plus I like to see the look on people's faces when I show them my voter card. So far I haven't done what I want, said things like, "Where…baby…want EAT..baby…" Nope, wife might express exasperationa dn opprobrium. Not good.

    My father, who was in a position to know, told me that during the cold war there was a joke that was more reality based than a lot of people think.

    The communist party was almost defunct in the US, but it was heavily infiltrated. The infiltrators were pretty close to the only ones who paid their dues and attended meetings regularly.

    Who knows? It actually might have just dried up and blown away.

    My experiences in Europe and South America would indicate that "Godless Communism" was always pretty much a US/Russian cultural construct, godless more for reasons of power and focus.

  9. Christianity teaches Communism by promoting egolessness and mediocrity. That whole "dying to the old self and becoming a new creation in the body of Christ" bullshit is straight Communist thought process. The whole idea that people are rewarded "not by works but by faith alone so that nobody can boast" promotes mediocrity and Communism as well. Boasting is viewed as evil in Christianity because "everybody is equally as worthless in the eyes of God". The parable about the rich person having a tougher time "getting into the kingdom of heaven" than the camel going through the eye of a needle (firtilized camel eggs aside here) is straight propaganda against Capitalism. The whole idea of "give up all your possessions and come follow Jesus" is also Communism, essentially what Stalin forced upon his own people….etc, etc, etc. The gospel of Jesus is filled with Communist propaganda.Proverbs, on the other hand, speaks about Capitalism in a more positive light. Naturally, the Bible is largely inconsistant with itself from one book to the next. Emotionally speaking, God is 500 foot tall in one book, and then he's three inches tall in another book.

  10. I think communism ignores some important truths, like the facts that people are nowhere near equal in ability and without any possible hope of personal advancement or a sense of personal ownership and control of your efforts, you're soon going to face a lazy, unmotivated, and largely nihilistic society.

    Funny, communist society sounds like Christian descriptions of heaven. Maybe this communism and religion thing makes sense.

  11. @ Sarge – proud to be a socialist with ya, bro.

    @ Philly – Ah! Exactly. Communism exists in blatant denial of human nature. Meanwhile Christians lament a "Darwinist" worldview, while extolling capitalism – which is a perfect example of "social Darwinism". Go figure. Anyway, I think you have a future post buried within that last comment of yours.

  12. "everybody is equally as worthless in the eyes of God".

    Now there's a line

  13. "But He loves you."

  14. Ah, me… so many infidels, and so little time.

    "Funny, communist society sounds like Christian descriptions of heaven. Maybe this communism and religion thing makes sense."

    Chief, that's probably the sanest remark you've made to date. But, I must (again) correct you on something… it's not Communism AND religion, Communism IS a religion, just like so-called Atheism. I know… I've adhered to both. I still view Communism as superior to the mark of the beast… Capitalism/Commerce. Don't bother querying me on that statement, you haven't even scratched the surface of reality, yet. One faltering step at a time, please!

    *Sigh*

    Here, let me try another route…

    I'm apolitical, which means I adhere to no particular political party or partisan mantra. As you're aware, I'm a theist. This is quite possible, as politics are more of a philosophical discipline. Religion hits where a person lives. There can be no true atheist, as some 'god' inevitably comes into play. If it isn't YHWH, then it's Mammon, the god of materialism.

    Atheism suggests a complete divorce from any kind of spiritual or spiritualistic experience. Death is the only way to become an atheist as defined, because life will throw you into one religious camp or another, but, you WILL be religious.

    Even infidelity presents it's own marked fanaticism, and fanaticism is SO religious! Take the likes of Dawkins, Suzuki, Hitchens, etc. All of them noted fanatics, so much so that their campaigns against Christians are remarkably similar to a crusade.

    Communism (without the Capitalism embedded, like with Marxism) is probably the best description you goofs have come up with yet, trying to describe the economy of Heaven, but, it still falls far short of the true definition.

    The new Earth will be governed by the same benevolent God that TRIED to give humanity a good start, but had it flung back in His face. It will be a place where all do whatever they WANT to, and not HAVE to, for PEANUTS, here. In fact, there won't be any commerce, money, recompense, etc, like in this fucked-up world. God will provide all that we need, and we return His benevolence with our worship. WE can go wherever we want, when we want, and will always be assured of a home to return to… unlike this fucked-up world. We will never go hungry… unlike in this fucked-up world. We won't be waylaid along the highway… as is often the case in this fucked-up world. Need I say more?

    So, best to escape the religion of infidelity whilst it is possible, dupes, because it's a construct of satanists masquerading as clergy. The true architect of the Communist (the known form) philosophy wasn't Marx or Engels, it was a man named Adam Weishaupt, a Jesuit priest. Big capital helped finance this maniac's dream of overthrowing Christianity, and then along came dupes Karl and Friedrich… and the rest is, as they say, history.

    Anyway, let that soak through your muddled heads.

    "Naturally, the Bible is largely inconsistant with itself from one book to the next. Emotionally speaking, God is 500 foot tall in one book, and then he's three inches tall in another book."

    Quiff… have you been sniffing laboratory chemicals in your quest for the holy fail, again?

  15. Gideon, does God have a gambling problem or something? Why would he sacrifice his own son to save his creation from the Devil? This is very barbaric, if God wasn't cutting corners in the first place, maybe he wouldn't have been such a cosmic fail, huh? Why would you worship such a loser? By the way, anybody who would sacrifice their own son to save from a failed bet with the Devil should be shot.

  16. Quiff, if I didn't have you as a constant source of amusement, my life would be really boring. I don't know where you drag up these goofy questions of yours, but, they sound like those a kid would ask, although a kid's questions might be a tad more sensible.

    I'll answer your first question and leave the rest for you to figure out.

    Does God have a gambling problem? The answer is… no.

  17. But, I must (again) correct you on something… it's not Communism AND religion, Communism IS a religion, just like so-called Atheism.

    But…but… Stalin killed all those people in the name of atheism!

    Who knew?

    There can be no true atheist, as some 'god' inevitably comes into play. If it isn't YHWH, then it's Mammon, the god of materialism.

    Philly, who was the last Christian that we used to go round and round with? I can't remember. They all start to sound the same. Same claptrap, different names.

    The new Earth…

    We're getting a new one? What will we do with the old one?

    …will be governed by the same benevolent God that TRIED to give humanity a good start, but had it flung back in His face. It will be a place where all do whatever they WANT to, and not HAVE to, for PEANUTS, here. In fact, there won't be any commerce, money, recompense, etc, like in this fucked-up world. God will provide all that we need, and we return His benevolence with our worship. WE can go wherever we want, when we want, and will always be assured of a home to return to… unlike this fucked-up world. We will never go hungry… unlike in this fucked-up world. We won't be waylaid along the highway… as is often the case in this fucked-up world. Need I say more?

    Oh, please do. Where do you come up with this stuff? It's fascinating, in a sci-fi sorta way, and would make a good series of books. Hey! You could call it "The Left Behind" series!

    Does God have a gambling problem? The answer is… no.

    So responsive, and so helpful.

  18. How could he have a gambling problem if he can fix the results? (Suck it, Dwight Howard)

  19. @ SI – I've been reading a lot of really good SciFi lately. Gideon's story is weak. It could have been written in the Bronze Age.

    Which reminds me… a lot of times, great science fiction is judged somewhat (in retrospect) by the authors abilities to kind of predict some of the things that would in fact show up in the future. It's one of the reasons for having a lot respect for people like Jules Verne, HG Wells, Aldous Huxley, George Orwell and many others.

    How come a book that so full of "prophecy" was so completely unable to visual what the world would look like – even 500 years ago, let alone now? The "successes" they trot out are laughably vague generalities. Could they have at mentioned things like computers and robotics and cell phones and television?

    And please (Gideon or others) don't trot out the "but the people of those times wouldn't have understood". Hey, how hard is this to understand? "And then the lord said, and men on one side of a great ocean will speak to men on the other side, simply by talking into a small box".

    Plus, didn't the omniscient god "know" that people "back then" wouldn't be the *only ones* reading his most holy announcements?

    OK, yes, I'm a *little* bored this morning! I'll go back to my book by Corey Doctorow now.

  20. "Oh, please do. Where do you come up with this stuff… so responsive, and so helpful."

    Well, Spanish Ejaculator, any literate "atheist" not preoccupied with formulating bullshit questions designed to reveal just how stupid he/she is, would have no problem reading the last part of the Bible, a chapter called Revelation, where it emphatically states that God will recreate the world after He destroys it. It's called the "New Earth."

    As for Stalin, he was a two-bit dictator that the real forces of evil used as a puppet, same as Hitler was used as a scapegoat and dictator. The world always focuses on that which they can see, missing out entirely on Satan's greatest ploy… working unseen from cover. They, (the forces of evil) like him, (Satan) are chickenshit bastards with spaghetti for spines. They get other dupes to do their dirty work for them.

    They know that the majority of the world's people will not question their authority, because they're all consumed with living under their oppressive system.

    Hey… if you think THIS stuff is fantastic… if you actually had the brain pan large enough to handle it, I could tell you things that would impress even someone of actual intelligence! However, don't worry about that, because, I wouldn't want you to strain something trying to comprehend what our littlest ones recite from memory in our church schools.

    Just stick to the basics for now, Defecator. You haven't even mastered Humanism 101, yet.

    *Note: Humanism 101 – "I am the end-product of a long succession of gibbons and gorillas, themselves, the end-product of other mutations that trace their exalted lineage back to a swamp where amoebae got it on with one another in ways that would impress even a New Orleans Streetwalker, after declaring themselves extant after having never before existed."

  21. "Gideon's story is weak. It could have been written in the Bronze Age."

    Possibly, John-O, but it's not as weak as yours, and yours was written in the 19th Century. What factor of dumb would that place upon it's (Evolution's) adherents, when one should have evolved just that much higher on the EVILutionary scale?

    As for prophecy, well, you're missing the boat completely. Fact is, there are many prophetic statements made in scripture that haven't been fulfilled as of yet. And, for those that have, you might want to examine the history of the world a little CLOSER, to see that there has been many prophecies that have been fulfilled. Some of the works of David Dare mention where those ancient kingdoms that were condemned to extinction centuries before their demise, are still gone, today.

    You are, like most that don't look much further than the end of their noses or dicks, fixated on TECHNOLOGICAL progress. In the grand scheme of things, those matters don't mean doodly-squat. In fact, the ancients possessed far greater knowledge than we have, on a lesser-technological scale. We're still trying to figure out how they built the pyramids and similar structures that we couldn't manage with our heavy equipment, today!

    Certainly, the ancients had more common sense than your average urbanite, these days. Anyone trying to make a living driving on the highways of North America, will know what I'm talking about!

  22. Ah, Gideon, you are always good for laughs on the weekends, son!

    "Evolution" is weak? EVOLUTION? Oh, sweet bloody Jesus on a cross. And you say "I" can't see past the end of my nose? You're too funny my man, too funny.

    Plus you're still trying to figure out how the Egyptians (those dirty pagans) built the pyramids? No wonder you can't figure out evolution!

    Come on, son! I need the laughs! Keep 'em coming!

  23. @Giddyupeon: So, maybe God is just retarded and demented then for killing his own son as a sacrifice to the Devil.

  24. Well, John, I'm glad you're enjoying yourself, but, remember, it isn't fun being on fire, even for a short time, and that is the prescribed punishment for infidels at the end of days. If I were you, I'd be taking this a tad more seriously. I've watched people burn alive in wrecks… believe me, you don't want that to happen to you… son.

    Here's some reading for you after you get done with that other crap you're wasting your time with… that is, if you have the balls to take on some REAL truth! After all, I'm only answering your question on prophecy.

    (I don't know whose site this is, but, I know the author and I read his book.)

    And, I didn't say that I didn't know by whom or how the pyramids were built. I know that you THINK you know, but, you'd be wrong if you're going by the accepted archaeological explanation. Anyway, I'll deal with that on my blog, another time, and when you all get over your chickenshitedness, you can check it out, there, and comment.

  25. Quiff: glad you could take time out from pumping the neighbor's dog, to drop by and lend us some more insight on the workings of the depraved mind!

    Oh, and God doesn't have any of those attributes that you described. He could never measure up to your prowess in those areas, anyway, so why bother?

    I wouldn't.

  26. Giddyupeon says: God doesn't have any of those attributes that you described. He could never measure up to your prowess in those areas, anyway, so why bother?

    QF: That's because God doesn't exist.

  27. He has to, Quiffy. He's blessed us by giving us you… to laugh at!

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