Debaptism? Really?

Is this really necessary? Debaptism for atheists? Is the answer to silly nonsense more silly nonsense? Really? I think this is the second stupidest thing I’ve heard from atheists so far, second only to those atheists who say they believe in a god (try cracking open a dictionary some time, you jackasses).

So you can get a nifty little certificate to make your debaptism all official. Isn’t that nice? What would be the ceremony? Should you show up soaking wet and be ceremoniously toweled off? Well now that I think of it, that could be fun provided you get toweled off by someone like Ariane Sherine and not Christopher Hitchens.

Still, I just don’t see the point in such silly nonsense. This is, to me, like flaunting some new hottie on your arm as you “coincidentally” happen by your ex, a big “nyah nyah, I’m over you” when in truth, you’re nothing of the sort. You’re obviously still caught up in that part of your life and you haven’t gotten completely over it, so you engage in childish little antics of spite.

You know how you make that ex hurt? You have a wonderfully happy life without them. Oh just imagine how they’ll smart once they hear about how well you’re getting on. Boy, I’ll bet that’ll steam them quite good, eh? But then, it’s not about them, is it? No, it’s about you, you dumbass. You leave and get on with having a wonderfully happy life without them for the point of having a wonderfully happy life, period. That’s it. It’s not about them, it’s about you, so enough already about them.

Now of course shedding religion is not the same as shedding a crappy mate. It’s probably more akin to shedding off an addiction like heroin. Still, I see this act of frivolous silliness to expunge and thumb your nose at your former silliness as actually doing no such thing, and sadly revealing you’re still in some way jonesing for the rush you used to get, like alcoholics moving on to coffee or smokers moving on to food addictions. Sometimes you see atheists just move into new woo, like psychic crap, astrology, ufos, or conspiracy theories. Enough with the woo and the nonsense!

Let it go, already. Move on and start enjoying your life. If you feel compelled to try and speak out about the horrors of your past addiction and the ongoing wrongs of religion, so be it, but debaptism? Come on now, you’re just being a silly git.

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14 Responses to “Debaptism? Really?”

  1. UFO’s and Conspiracy Theories have nothing to do with theism or atheism. UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object and is an actual thing that is labeled by the government when there is no true identification for that object. Religion? No, more like a hobby. Actually, many UFOs over the years have turned out to be top secret government projects and thereby people can identify, or at least roughly, such events when papers become declassified. Yes there is speculation involved, but there are eye witness accounts of these things. Sometimes it’s good to be skeptical, but other times it’s fun to be objective about this sort of thing. In fact, there is a whole way of studying historical explanations of events (everything from gods to flying houses) to arrive at some form of more reasonable explanation of what was truly going on.

    As for conspiracy theories, I have to believe that these are a result of government secrecy. People would be extremely stupid if they thought that everything that occured on 9/11 was exactly how FOX and CNN had described it. I’m not saying the US government did it and everything, but there definantly is much more to the story than the media reported. Anyhow, I can live with not knowing, I would rather have no beliefs than to have a belief that might be wrong.

  2. I think the whole idea of debaptism is stupid. You’re just validating a worthless religious ceremony with another worthless irreligious ceremony. Who cares? It’s like people who go out of their way to get excommunicated from their church. What difference does it make, unless, like in some countries, you get taxed to support that church if you’re on their rolls as a member?

    I never got excommunicated from my former church, I won’t bother getting debaptized, in fact, the less I even acknowledge that I ever belonged to any church, the better. Why bother making a big deal of the fact that I used to be theologically insane? I’m better now. Leave it at that.

  3. The only point I see is to remove yourself from any tally a church could make of its members, but then that doesn’t require a ceremony and a certificate, now does it?

    I should have been more specific about the ufos. I was referring to the little green men, abductions, anal probes, Roswell, and crop circle nonsense.

  4. You know, debaptism is sort of amusing though.

  5. I’m afraid it could (at least in some cases) be even worse than you are suggesting. Yeah, it takes a silly twit to even desire a “de-baptism certificate but…

    Doesn’t it strike you as a kind of manic desperation? Are people who participate in this among the new de-converts (the ones who are our equivalent of “true believers”)? Are they “baby atheists”, perhaps unconvinced of their own atheism?

    I hope we can all see that it is this type of atheist that makes believers think we are assholes. Now, on the one hand, i don’t care if someone thinks I’m an asshole because I tell them to stop believing superstitions. On the other hand, I’m not saying it to hurt their feelings. I’d actually like them to rationally consider my views. This is the kind of thing that immediately strips the conversation of any pretext of a reasoned debate. They will simply fall back into the trench.

  6. Cephus points out one good reason for de-baptism – if one is taxed to support a church, then one would want a formal, legal way to cut the ties – assuming, of course that this thing carries any legal weight.

    I don’t see any need for such a certificate, myself, but I know from firsthand experience that churches are extremely reluctant to remove people from their membership rolls. Unless this process was legally binding on the church, though, I don’t think even this would get one’s name removed any faster. I can live with my name remaining on a church roll for as long as they want to keep it there. It’s their issue, not mine.

  7. Well, that’s certainly giving baptism a weight and credence it neither has nor deserves.

    Though Hunt was right. The evangelical voices are getting pretty loud. Maybe what the non-religious needs is to be more visible. To let others who are on the fence know they aren’t alone, and give them that extra nudge. . . .

    I dunno. It takes all kinds, and I’ll betcha there are people out there that respond to this debaptism thing, that it cements their decision to step away from religion. The same way getting baptised as a born again adult reaffirms the faith of evangelical believers.

    I suppose even a lack-of-belief-system needs it’s fundie/ literalist types :/

  8. So shall I rescind your invitation to my un-Bar Mitzvah?

  9. Can an ex-Jew have an un-bris?

    I was baptised Episcopalean (sp?) but, as far as I know, have never actually been a member, formally, of any church. I occasionally attend my atheist parent’s UU church up in Maine. I attended multi-denomintational services in California and Arizona, but, again, was never an actual member.

    Do I want to de-baptise? Why bother. It was done when I was a baby, I do not remember it, and it has no effect on my current behaviour or emotional attachments. It happened, it doesn’t affect me, and I’m not carried on the roles of any church.

    So I’m a Episcopal-baptised Unitarianesque atheist? Works.

  10. I would rather wear a shirt advertising my atheism or sticking a friendly boot into religion.

  11. Would an un-Bar Mitvah include ham sandwiches?

    The un-bris sounds nasty though. I don’t want to be around that, and afterwards, I can’t imagine anyone else would want to be around your Franken-penis.

  12. I see absolutely nothing wrong with this. It’s no stupider than getting baptized before you’re even old enough to *want* to be part of the religious mess. For my part, I would do it, if only so my family would stop talking to me about God and how they think it justifies their racism towards other religions. I don’t believe in a god, I just believe in nature. I think that’s not exactly atheism, but something else.

  13. I have no idea what it means to believe in nature. Is that some sort of pantheism?

    I think if your motivation is to get the religious people you know off your back, that this might actually do the opposite, since it gives the appearance of merely exchanging one religion for another. Usually when that happens, that doesn’t dissuade but rather encourages them to keep working you. In other words, it’s more hopeful to them to get you back on the team as long as they feel you’re still playing the game, but if you wash your hands of this shit altogether, you’re essentially saying you’re done playing the game.

  14. "If you wash your hands of this…"

    Nice Biblical reference…

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